Evidence and Proof of Christianity?

Bassam Zawadi said on fb @24.12.19:

“William Lane Craig said:

โ€œI am not saying that where there’s a lack of information you can make a leap of faith. Believing on the basis of the witness of the Holy Spirit is a rational decision โ€“ it is not a leap of faith. We have another source of warrant for our Christian beliefs that makes that belief rational. So I’m not advocating a leap of faith. Now, I disagree heartily with this nonchalant stance of the Christian apologist who says, ๐ˆ ๐š๐ฆ ๐ฐ๐ข๐ฅ๐ฅ๐ข๐ง๐  ๐ญ๐จ ๐œ๐ก๐š๐ง๐ ๐ž ๐ฆ๐ฒ ๐ฆ๐ข๐ง๐ ๐ข๐Ÿ ๐ญ๐ก๐ž ๐ž๐ฏ๐ข๐๐ž๐ง๐œ๐ž ๐œ๐จ๐ง๐ญ๐ซ๐š๐๐ข๐œ๐ญ๐ฌ ๐ข๐ญ. ๐“๐ก๐š๐ญ ๐ฆ๐š๐ค๐ž๐ฌ ๐ฆ๐ž ๐ญ๐ซ๐ž๐ฆ๐›๐ฅ๐ž. ๐“๐ก๐š๐ญ ๐ข๐ฌ ๐ฌ๐š๐ฒ๐ข๐ง๐  ๐ˆ ๐š๐ฆ ๐ฐ๐ข๐ฅ๐ฅ๐ข๐ง๐  ๐ญ๐จ ๐ซ๐ž๐ง๐จ๐ฎ๐ง๐œ๐ž ๐‚๐ก๐ซ๐ข๐ฌ๐ญ ๐š๐ง๐ ๐œ๐จ๐ฆ๐ฆ๐ข๐ญ ๐š๐ฉ๐จ๐ฌ๐ญ๐š๐ฌ๐ฒ ๐ข๐Ÿ ๐ญ๐ก๐ž ๐ž๐ฏ๐ข๐๐ž๐ง๐œ๐ž ๐ญ๐ก๐š๐ญ ๐ˆ ๐ก๐š๐ฏ๐ž ๐ฌ๐ก๐จ๐ฎ๐ฅ๐ ๐ญ๐ฎ๐ซ๐ง ๐š๐ ๐š๐ข๐ง๐ฌ๐ญ ๐‚๐ก๐ซ๐ข๐ฌ๐ญ๐ข๐š๐ง๐ข๐ญ๐ฒ. It seems to me that the Scriptures would say you would never be justified in taking such a step. Never would you be justified in renouncing Christ and outraging the Holy Spirit of grace that is within you by committing apostasy.โ€

Bassam Zawadi then commented:

Itโ€™s incredible how Craig is oblivious to his use of circular reasoning here. How is one even certain that the Holy Spirit dwells in him, as opposed to being deluded into thinking so? Even Christians themselves quarrel over whether โ€œregeneratedโ€ Christians could apostatize. Those who maintain that โ€œtrue apostasyโ€ is not possible would contend that such apostates only โ€˜thoughtโ€™ that they were Christians, even if sincerely.

Thus, one cannot be 100% certain that the Holy Spirit dwells in him. Itโ€™s simply an inner feeling which manifests in certain โ€˜Christ-likeโ€™ behaviors (rather than literally hearing the โ€œvoice of Godโ€), but that could equally arise from self-delusion, as many Christians themselves readily concede.

Thus, how could Craig urge that such an unsettled and unsound tool of epistemology takes precedence over good evidence presented against Christianity? Shouldnโ€™t belief in the Holy Spirit be based on evidence in the first place?

Contrast this outlook and attitude with the Qurโ€™an which prides itself on being evidentially-based and challenges the kuffar to proffer counter-evidence to negate its integrity.

Which has a more evidence-based approach to examining the truth? And which religion comes across as more sincere and open to the evidence? Answer that one for yourselves.”

 

Kabir al Asfar replied:

Craig ties the witnessing of the holy spirit to plantinga’s proper basic belief. While it may be subjective one cannot fault it by arguing it’s irrational ( Craig’s view !)

It’s one of the reasons apologists need to be aware of the intricacies of the beliefs of those they’re up against.

For instance on Craig’s stance citing biblical contradictions will be of no effect since he can sacrifice biblical inerrancy on the alter of the witness of the holy spirit on the veracity of a dying-rising Christ.

Interesting I think this is the Pauline philosophy, Paul equates his experience with the holy spirit on the road to Damascus to actual historical apostleship , perhaps above. Seems evangelicals are being true to Paul.”

 

Bassam Zawadi replied:

unlike Paul, there is no supposed โ€œvisionโ€ even. Just a โ€œfeelingโ€.

 

 

 

 

Kabir al Asfar replied:

Well there may be goosebumps and tremblings and speaking in tongues too!

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