What follows is a continuation of a conversation discussing God, continued from the last post…
الحمد لله والصلاة والسلام على رسول الله
All praise is due to ALLAH and peace and blessing upon His Messenger
بسم الله الرحمن الرحيم
In the Name of Allah, The Most Gracious, The Most Merciful
Commentator 3 said: I’ve read your blog, good, informative read as always mate.
I, obviously, have lots of issues with it. Proof being the first, and most obvious. If a child has its eye eaten by a fly larvae then that child gets 5000 eyes in the after life. If someone goes thru intolerable pain and hardship now then they will have an infinetly better time in the after life. If you believe this then why not celebrate when people are hurt?
Also, what about people who are “born lucky” and don’t go thru hardships in life. Does that mean god will punish them when they die? Or is that another grey area?
I suppose one of the main things for me is “why”. Why does god put people thru trials? Is there a finite amount of souls allowed into heaven? god knows, if he knows all and is omnipotent, what you are going to do or not do before he tests you, so why the test? If you believe that he created you, then acting badly isn’t your fault. god knew you would do it a long time before you were born.
A life time of bowing down and praising. Why would god want that? What possible need does he have that is fulfilled by people praising him?
Explain the “why” to me, without quoting any bibles or biblical verses (because like I said, Amazing Detectives doesn’t prove Batman exists).
With the Stephen Fry quotes, I’ve always thought god, if he exists, has a huge amount to answer for in terms of pain and injustice in the world. Stephen Fry is just able to articulate it better than me 😉
Commentator 2 spoke: What a minefield. Impossible to give answers. We have to differentiate between the eternal and world of phenomenon. We know nothing of the former other than the indications in the world of phenomenon and a directly revealed book (the Torah, Injeel, Quran). No-one knows why some look at the world of phenomeon and see no design, just chance, others see multiple gods, and other see the work of a single Designer, Creator and Sustainer, and for example, the Quran gives us a vivid insight into who is God, why He created us and what is expected from us, and a warning to those who place their own intellects above all else that there is punishment waiting for them as a result of their illusionary arrogance. To me debate belongs in the binery world of phenomenon and can lead to understanding but to debate whether God exists or not is mostly a completely pointless activity. Belief exists in the heart where the rules of a binery debate just fall apart. You either believe in God or you don’t and I have no idea why that happens. May Allah guide us to true knowlege.
Commentator 3 said: It is a minefield.
I always ask why. It’s something I’ve done since I was 2 years old. Why does god want us to praise him, when praise is a very human thing to do?
I’m assuming… that you know your religion well (I’ve known Arif for 30 years and know that he is very well versed) but you are unable to give answers. “Impossible” was your own word. As I’m someone that asks questions and looks for answers I’m sure you can see why I find the whole god thing so hard to believe if you find it impossible to give answers.
Why would your god want people to suffer in order to reward them later? That’s sick. He knows who is good and who isn’t, so why make people suffer? Even if they will be rewarded later, why make them suffer now? It’s like me beating my girlfriend up tonight and then being nice to her for the rest of the week so she can appreciate how nice I am after I’ve beaten her up. Me being good to her tomorrow doesn’t excuse what I do today. I’m not saying you should hold your god to those ideals, but I certainly do and I still can’t get past god (all 2,500 of them) being a dick.
Commentator 3 continued: I suppose the key for me, other than the whole “why” thing is that we are who we are due to nurture rather than nature. We aren’t born religious, we are made religious. If my parents were more religious then I would be too. I know Arifs kids are Muslim. A friend of mine from work is Mormon, because her parents are Mormon. She goes to church every Sunday, even tho she doesn’t want to.
It’s the same with murderers. Look at Jeffrey dahmers background. Look at the background of any major killer in the last 200 years and it can almost always be traced back to how they were brought up.
Same thing with football teams. I’ve got loads of mates from my time running teams over the last 20 years who are bringing their kids up supporting the team they support.
It’s normal to make your kids believe what you believe, and it’s normal for them to want to.
We are all born atheist. That is our natural state. When we are born our “gods” are our parents, and then those parents (aunts/uncles/grandparents etc) start to fill us with knowledge. Knowledge about life, about religion, about football, about pain, about happiness. We influence our children far more than god ever has and ever will.
If all muslims, christians and all other religions (as well as atheists, altho atheism isn’t a religion) stopped teaching their kids about what they believed in what would happen? Personally, I think that in two generations religion would be gone and everyone would be in their natural state. How confident are you that religion would survive without people forcing it?
If any god were real then our natural state would be that we were born to believe. But we’re not. If your god was real then everyone would believe it.
Commentator 2 replied: Cause and effect. Everything exists as a result of…on and on but not to infintum, but to the Original Cause..unitary theory of the big bang phenomenon. Before that Eternity, no time, Singularity, understanding beyond our own limited intellectual capability. On that assuming we humans have less than a millionth insight into total knowlege, and each human is capable of understanding one millionth of what is known, yet based on this complete state of ignorance some humans are willing to make some pretty enormous assumptions about Allah. Believers progress to knowlege when they admit their complete lack of knowledge.
My Present Comment (Addressing Commentator 3):
I, obviously, have lots of issues with it. Proof being the first, and most obvious.
1) By ‘proof’, I understand what you want: scientific proof for the existence of God. I won’t focus on this part of the conversation – although to be honest – this is the main bit (I will address it, Godwilling: pending post, as mentioned in H from last post).
What I will ask is why must the proof be ‘scientific’? Think carefully. If you say you will only accept scientific evidence – and by that I think you mean ‘empirical’ evidence, then you must reject non-empirical evidence from your life (as in ‘Five things Science can’t explain’ in E of the last blog post). If you say, well actually, I accept all those evidences mentioned in ‘Five things Science can’t explain’ but God still must be proved empirically, I would again ask – but why? Alternatively, you might say, well, using all these evidences, you still can’t prove God… Well actually, we can now make a case for God (but we’ll do that another time). In actual fact, (in the Western world) the study of Philosophy and/or Theology IS the sciences of discussing God-related concepts (including the existence of God). The nature of God in the Islamic world is discussed in the discipline known as Aqeedah. As well as in philosophical circles.
2) I gave you Qur’anic quotes – but not because I was thinking, ‘Aha! I have now proved the existence of God’ to you, which would have been silly. Rather, there is a danger I could have given you my opinion of what Islam is (and you’d have to take my word for it). But my opinion is just my opinion – and might be an incorrect account of Islam. By giving the Qur’anic quotes, you can see, this isn’t my opinion – and check out the references for yourself to verify. This is the basic, normative Islamic position. I’m backing up what I’m saying from a core source and not from the top of my head. There’s a massive difference. Moreover, I would say this core source (i.e. the Qur’an) is God’s words (i.e. not my words) – See pending post indicated in L from last post to verify this claim. it’s just because in Islam you must present your evidences when you make claims. This is the ‘good practice’ inherent in the culture of this religion.
(Of course, the question of whether the Qur’an is actually the word of God, is a different topic and isn’t being discussed just yet. As you can guess, tomes have been written on this topic from all sides. But just a heads, up: this is Islam’s strong point: unlike the biblical compilation, the Qur’an and its compilation trumps every single (big) religious tradition in history. This is not bragging. It is a fact. Hence why, in Islam, the biggest miracle of Prophet Muhammad (peace be upon him) is the Qur’an. See The Qur’anic Versus.
If a child has its eye eaten by a fly larvae then that child gets 5000 eyes in the after life.
NOTE: 5,000 eyes was just my idea. It is not in the Qur’an. Heaven is that place where everything (good) is possible – that is in the Qur’an. So I was just extrapolating. A thought-exercise.
If someone goes thru intolerable pain and hardship now then they will have an infinitely better time in the after life. If you believe this then why not celebrate when people are hurt?
1) Part of the test is to try and prevent harm and ease the suffering of those that have been harmed.
“So compete with each other in doing good.” (Qur’an 5:48)
“If anyone saves a life, it shall be as though he had saved the lives of all mankind.” (Qur’an 5:32)
‘Abu Huraira reported: The Prophet, peace and blessings be upon him, said, “Allah had once forgiven a prostitute. She passed by a dog panting near a well. Seeing that thirst had nearly killed him, she took off her shoe, tied it to her scarf, and drew up some water [i.e. she fed the dog]. Allah forgave her for that.”’ (Ṣaḥīḥ al-Bukhārī 3143, Ṣaḥīḥ Muslim 2245)
2) But you’re right, in that, just like when good things happen, we say ‘Alhamdulillah’ and are encouraged to do so (meaning praise be to God) – we’re supposed to actually do this when bad things happen too (to say Alhamdulillah). Saying it, is supposed to have a connection to feeling it and believing it. It is encouraged. We are thankful for whatever Allah gives us because we know that if we respond in the right way (positively): we will be rewarded abundantly.
An analogy: “Whenever something afflicts us, we should smile and say Alhamdulillah (Praise be to Allah). Consider the story of the King and his servant, Abdullah. Abdullah would say Alhamdulillah to everything that would happen to him, whether good or bad. One day while hunting, the King accidently shot-off his finger and Abdullah responded with his normal, Alhamdulillah. Upset, the King jailed Abdullah to which Abdullah responded Alhamdulillah. Soon thereafter, the King went out hunting again by himself. He strayed into tribal enemy grounds and was captured. The tribe was about to sacrifice him before they realized he was missing a finger. Knowing full-well they should not sacrifice an incomplete human being, they released the King. Ecstatic, the King knew that his misfiring the other day saved his life. He went back home and freed Abdullah. Afterwards, he asked Abdullah, “I understand the loss of my finger was something worth saying Alhamdulillah over, but why did you say it when I jailed you?” Abdullah responded, “Had I been with you that one day instead of in jail, I would have been sacrificed, since I did have all of my fingers!” (Source: Ummah.com: Alhamdulillah for bad times)
Prophet Muhammad declared that all the affairs of a believer are good:
“Indeed amazing are the affairs of a believer! They are all for his benefit. If he is granted ease then he is thankful, and this is good for him. And if he is afflicted with a hardship, he perseveres, and this is good for him.” (Sahih Muslim)
See: the Modern Religion
Also, what about people who are “born lucky” and don’t go thru hardships in life. Does that mean god will punish them when they die? Or is that another grey area?
There is no grey area to this question. It’s pretty clear.
1) The test for ‘those that have’ is shukr, thankfulness, and not sabr, patience. But for ‘those that haven’t’, it is Sabr, patience. i.e. the test is reversed – I touched on this in the last post: See H.
How are you supposed to ‘be’ in order to show thankfulness? First and foremost, thankfulness to God, is demonstrated by at least considering the possibility of His words being… well, good. And at most, to heed his words and act on them. Secondly, that thankfulness to God ought to make you appreciative of life and feel like each breath you have left is an opportunity to make things better for the rest of creation (other people, animals, world).
2) The idea that God will punish those ‘born lucky’ is obviously unjust. And again, you’re thinking negatively about God as your starting thought-process – which is necessarily wrong. The correct account is: given God is intrinsically Just, the answer to the question must be 1) above.
However, the taklif (responsibility) on those born ‘lucky’ is greater than those that are born ‘unlucky’: this is just. This is why it is easier for them to sin (through neglect of their responsibilities, and preference to devote themselves to themselves, despite the favours God has graced them with – i.e. ‘I don’t care about God or other people or animals or the world’. Ebenezer Scrooge comes to mind before his last ‘revelation’!)
‘With fortune comes great responsibility; with greater fortune comes greater responsibility.’ 😉 Such a maxim happens to also be most fortunate for the most unfortunate.
I suppose one of the main things for me is “why”. Why does God put people thru trials?
1) Yes, this is the million-dollar question. We know (Islamically) it is to see which of us deserves heaven through our actions, through our character (i.e. the best in deed is best indeed[i]). This is a partial answer. You may still enquire, yes but why? Consider this:
“And [mention, O Muhammad], when your Lord said to the angels, “Indeed, I will make upon the earth a successive authority.” They said, “Will You place upon it one who causes corruption therein and sheds blood, while we declare Your praise and sanctify You?” Allah said, “Indeed, I know that which you do not know.” (Qur’an 2: 30)
Woah, profound! Allah Knows Best. Thinking positively about God, we must assume, there is Divine Wisdom in it.
We also know that in the end, God will inform us of what we did. See ‘All your questions will be answered on the Judgement Day’. I assume, we will know at that stage.
2) One may still be dissatisfied with that answer. Actually, for me, the notion that a) there is an answer and b) we will receive that answer gives me sufficient satisfaction.
And supposing we still aren’t satisfied with this answer, right now, well, let’s think of the corollary:
So there’s no God. And we are here as a result of evolution. Why? No reason, it’s just a development of organisms that have ultimately resulted in our being. That’s fine. But why? There is no why. It just is.
The conclusion is the same: the pain and suffering is a result of nature. But why does nature have to be this way? Because it is.
So you can’t have a problem with the ultimate conclusion of ‘it is as it is’ – because that is the ultimate conclusion of every perspective.
I suggest, your real ‘complaint with God’ as the originator is, really and truly, that you feel He is responsible for the [appearance of] suffering. If it was nature, at the end of the day, you feel, there’s no one to blame. But that’s not true, you’d blame nature – or at least you ought to. But the difference is with nature, there is no justice. But at least there is with God. On this front, God is better than nature as your complaint against suffering will be addressed. Logically, you ought to be more angst-driven against nature.
And if you are more angst-driven against nature (which is your prerogative), this is not a healthy state of mind: at war with your own existence? – Because that is the logical conclusion of that mindset. The True religion of God enables or fosters being at one with all things, our self, others, the world, existence and God: a proactive mindset (a win-win situation).
Is there a finite amount of souls allowed into heaven?
I think what you’re asking is this: ‘Is there a limit to who gets into heaven.’ Potentially, everyone can get into heaven. So why do some people not strive to get into heaven? This baffles me – even with some Muslims who know about God, but their commitment might be lacking. My conclusion: some people can’t be bothered, because they get distracted by the illusions of the world (to their doom), or they don’t care because they take ‘their own desires as a god’ (Qur’an 45:23) and prefer their own opinions – rather than hearing out God’s Perspective and acting on them. That’s the fault of people. Not God.
But God knows, right? And if He Knows all and is omnipotent, what you are going to do or not do before he tests you… If you believe that he created you, then acting badly isn’t your fault. God knew you would do it a long time before you were born.
God has given us gifts He has not given any other creation. What is that? Power and Intelligence. And Will.
Ponder on this.
“And [mention] when We said to the angels, “Prostrate before Adam”; so they prostrated, except for Iblees. He refused and was arrogant and became of the disbelievers.” (Qur’an 2: 34)
Adam knows all the names (a sign of intelligence and power):
“And He taught Adam the names – all of them. Then He showed them to the angels and said, “Inform Me of the names of these, if you are truthful.”
They said, “Exalted are You; we have no knowledge except what You have taught us. Indeed, it is You who is the Knowing, the Wise.”
He said, “O Adam, inform them of their names.” And when he had informed them of their names, He said, “Did I not tell you that I know the unseen [aspects] of the heavens and the earth? And I know what you reveal and what you have concealed.” (Qur’an 2: 31-33)
Why is mankind so different to other creatures? Even if we accept the evolution thesis – the fact is, we can wipe out all of creation (which would be a heinous sin, by the way). Dolphins can’t do that, nor monkeys, nor elephants. We have an intelligence far superior. And power far superior. (We’re supposed to be using this power and intelligence for good (i.e. ‘good’ as defined by God, Most High. That’s the point).
But more than this: we possess the gift (from God) of our free will:
“Truly, We did offer Al-Amanah (the trust or moral responsibility or honesty and all the duties which Allah has ordained) to the heavens and the earth, and the mountains, but they declined to bear it and were afraid of it (i.e. afraid of Allah’s Torment). But man bore it. Verily, he was unjust (to himself) and ignorant (of its results).” (Qur’an 33: 72)
Even if God knows what we will do, He is not forcing us to do anything. (Please remember Allah stands outside of Time and Space. We are constrained in Time and Space. We can’t think beyond Time and Space. Allah is outside of that range. So although there appears to be a contradiction with ‘His Knowledge = His Action’ (and knowing a human being is responsible if his/her knowledge leads to his/her action – this makes sense in Time and Space), actually it isn’t a contradiction, but it is a paradox to us – or a better term, an antinomy (a paradox that is true) because He is out of Time and Space, but we are in Time and Space.
Conclusion? We have enough scope in our will (that we were gifted with) to act without knowing what God intends and we will be accountable to how we act based on what we know (regardless of what God intends because we cannot judge God – “cannot” not purely because morally we cannot – but in actuality, logically, physically we cannot, and consequently our moral judgements on God is purely our 100% speculation and probably incorrect. We can, however, speak about God if we possess God’s own verdict of the situation. This is what enables us to bypass the impasse. And that is precisely what revelation is – that He has given us throughout the ages. And this is yet another gift and favour from God. He did not leave us ‘blind’ about our purpose or about Who He is. (However, this question of revelation takes us out of the scope of this discussion and onto the question of which religions are true revelations from God; which were once true revelations, but then man altered the message to suit their whims; and which is entirely false. Pending post, see H from last post)
A Qur’anic maxim: “Whatever of good reaches you, is from Allah, but whatever of evil befalls you, is from yourself.” (Qur’an 4:79)
And yet simultaneously: “Say: ‘I have no power Over any harm or profit To myself except as Allah Willeth.” (Quran, 10:49)
Not a contradiction. It’s a paradox – or antinomy.
A life time of bowing down and praising. Why would God want that? What possible need does he have that is fulfilled by people praising him?
Again, to reiterate, God does NOT need.
Everything He has told us to do is for OUR benefit. Not His. That He has created us as spiritual beings, bowing down and praising Him is good for our spirit. It reminds us (as a by-product) that I will not bow down before any other man/woman/thing. It is a basic premise in Islam that people (all people) worship something. Even atheists. If it isn’t a traditional god from another religion, it could just as well be one’s desire, opinion, lifestyle etc. Everyone is devoted to many things – like a host of ‘little gods’. This devotion is religion. Someone once told me that ‘his pub is his mosque’… You get the idea. The Islamic challenge is profound: all of these ‘little gods’ will be of no value where it counts – on the judgement Day – because they are false gods in reality, clearly. There is only the one religion God Himself ordained, which is the One we must attend to. And attend to seriously. (See the pending post referenced in L of last post)
Explain the “why” to me, without quoting any bibles or biblical verses (because like I said, Amazing Detectives doesn’t prove Batman exists).
1) *Qur’an not bible. There’s a difference. One of them is correct (to be verified later – see L of last post)
2) I explained why I’m quoting verses, above. (See A, point 2)
3) I hope the ‘Why’ has been covered a bit better than prior to reading this.
4) (NOTE. On a lighter note, Batman does appear to exist 😉 – see Real life Batman.)
I always ask why. It’s something I’ve done since I was 2 years old.
A good trait, mate.
Asking questions to seek Truth is like the Prophet Ibrahim, peace be upon him (Abraham). See Qur’an 75-83
But note, there is a difference of being critical positively and being critical negatively. Positively is seeking an answer by being critical, then weighing out the evidences and finally being true by then acting on it. It is constructive. Negatively is to be critical (skeptical, dismissive) of everything – in a never ending fashion but you don’t really care about the answer. The first is genuine and the second is a lie.
Why does God want us to praise him, when praise is a very human thing to do?
Precisely. A human need is to praise things they worship/idolize/devote themselves to. Just do this to The Truth, which is a Name of Allah. (see C, point 2)
Why would God want people to suffer in order to reward them later? That’s sick. He knows who is good and who isn’t, so why make people suffer? Even if they will be rewarded later, why make them suffer now? It’s like me beating my girlfriend up tonight and then being nice to her for the rest of the week so she can appreciate how nice I am after I’ve beaten her up. Me being good to her tomorrow doesn’t excuse what I do today. I’m not saying you should hold your god to those ideals, but I certainly do
I’m saddened that you weren’t satisfied with my answer as to suffering in the last post. That’s my fault in not expressing it well enough. It’s unfortunate that you’re wanting to begin your approach to this question from a negative perspective of God again, despite there being a positive first approach, yet again.
Your analogy fails in one respect. You said ‘it’s like’. You’re making a simile, which is comparing one thing to another using the word ‘like’. In your analogy your example is of you (a person) making your girlfriend (another person) suffer. Both you and your girlfriend are persons – finite, created being – or finite, evolved species, if you like. Your comparison does not hold, because you’re comparing yourself to God (not a person, not a creation, not finite – rather the Only One that deserves the title of God, The Creator, The Infinite.) So when you say ‘It’s like’, my simple answer is it is absolutely nothing like it, which is why your comparison fails. For an analogy or comparison to be valid, you have to compare like for like. And I repeat:
“Say: He is Allah, the One and Only; Allah, the Eternal, Absolute; He neither begets nor is born, And there is none comparable to Him.” (Qur’an 112)
The clue is in the last line: “there is none comparable to Him.” And as I mentioned in M in the last post, when we conceive of God, don’t make the mistake of anthropomorphism – or making God a man. If God was like a man, then everything you are saying would be fair, right and just.
“Holding God to our ideals” is an oxymoron: God is beyond our ideals. We are flawed by definition. Our Ideals will have weaknesses in them. Like when you’re a teenager you think such and such is a good idea, then 20 years later, you say: “Damn, I was an idiot. That was a disastrous idea!” This is known. To judge God is impossible. The only way you can do this is to configure God ‘like a man’ or as though He is operating on ‘our level’ and then judge that. If there was someone ‘like a man’ and ‘operating on our level’ to judge them would be possible. But God is neither a man nor operating on our level. Anything you can imagine, God is always Better, always more Magnificent, always more Supreme – hence the term ‘Allahu akbar’, which people translate as ‘God is Great’ but really is ‘God is Greater (Greatest) than anything you can conceive of.’ This is a True definition of a God. If there were a God, surely you must agree – this would sound like the truest account of Him (rather than being a man, man-like, or a statue).
I still can’t get past god (all 2,500 of them)
Pending post, as in L, in previous post.
We aren’t born religious, we are made religious.
We talked about this already, here: Fitrah: Born Atheist or Born Muslim
A friend of mine from work is Mormon
We are all born atheist. That is our natural state.
Incorrect. (See N above}
If all muslims, christians and all other religions (as well as atheists, altho atheism isn’t a religion) stopped teaching their kids about what they believed in what would happen?
You’re right, atheism is not a religion. But it is a deen.
Personally, I think that in two generations religion would be gone
Yes. But if we stopped teaching our kids anything, they will lose the knowledge of that thing. If we stopped teaching our kids morals – or what’s right and wrong, they will lose the knowledge of morals – or of what’s right and wrong. That would be cruel.
Rather, being able to discuss one’s morals when you’re an adult with someone of a different set of morals – so long as this is done amicably – is a sign that (regardless of differences in religious/irreligious upbringing) we were both taught manners well. That’s a positive start all round, I’d say.
“Let there be no compulsion in Deen [Way of Life or religion]: Truth stands out clear from Error: whoever rejects evil and believes in Allah hath grasped the most trustworthy hand-hold, that never breaks. And Allah heareth and knoweth all things.” (Qur’an 2:256)
And everyone would be in their natural state.
The natural state is to be muslim with a small ‘m’ (hence ‘fitrah’) – see N, above.
Fitrah is also discussed here: On How Identity can Mind-Lead you away from the Truth.
However, this notion that if we teach people nothing about religion then we are going to have a situation when everyone is ‘free’ sounds as religious as the imagery used by religion. The fact is, if you don’t teach religion, you will find yourself still teaching something to fill in the moral vacuum that will ensue. Whatever that is, is a religion by another name.
How confident are you that religion would survive without people forcing it?
If any God were real then our natural state would be that we were born to believe. But we’re not.
We are. (See N, above)
If your God was real then everyone would believe it.
Wrong. Then where’s the test? (See A, from the last post.) The test is made more dynamic by making people have to choose. The choice goes back to the test of our will (see G, above), which God has given us as a gift – to see who of us are earnest enough to do the right thing and who isn’t. We must – all of us – strive to be earnest in our efforts for The Truth (which is one of Allah’s Beautiful Names).
Remember, our mission (the prophetic mission) is to simply convey the message, which is to warn – warn that there will be a day for Judgement, and our lives, our actions will be our witness – so we should take heed and find out what is the message. And to relay that there is reward for those that pass the test. And punishment for those that fail. That God is intrinsically Just. Ours is NOT to turn people’s hearts – because we can’t. If there is one believer or a million believers, this is irrelevant to our mission. This is not the point. (Of course, we may want everyone to pass the test – but that is not our remit.) Allah is the turner of hearts. So we ought to seek Him alone. We MUST make the first step to seek Him out. And then He WILL respond.
[i] The Prophet, peace be upon him, said: “The best of people are those who live longest and excel in their deeds, whereas the worst of people are those who live longest and corrupt their deeds.” (Tirmidhi, Sahih) – Source: http://www.ummah.com/forum/showthread.php?245725-100-Hadiths-About-Being-the-Best!
سبحان ربك رب العزة عما يصفون وسلام على المرسلين والحمد لله رب العالمين والصلاة والسلام على رسول الله محمد وعلى اله وصحبه أجمعين
Exalted be your Lord, the Lord of Glory, above what they attribute to Him, and peace be upon the Messengers, and all praise be to Allah, the Lord of the Universe. And the peace and blessing upon prophet Mohammed and his relatives and all his companions.