God Questions – Part 1
There was an article entitled ‘Functioning ‘Mechanical Gears’ seen in Nature for the First Time’. It began as follows:
“This image shows cog wheels connecting the hind legs of the plant hopper, a plant-hopping insect found in gardens across Europe – has hind-leg joints with curved cog-like strips of opposing ‘teeth’ that intermesh, rotating like mechanical gears to synchronise the animal’s legs when it launches into a jump.
The finding demonstrates that gear mechanisms previously thought to be solely man-made have an evolutionary precedent. Scientists say this is the “first observation of mechanical gearing in a biological structure“.
Through a combination of anatomical analysis and high-speed video capture of normal Issus movements, scientists from the University of Cambridge have been able to reveal these functioning natural gears for the first time. The findings are reported in the latest issue of the journal Science…” CONTINUED >
I commented: “These gears are not designed; they are evolved” … Or rather- “These gears are ‘evolved’… by The Designer…”
الحمد لله والصلاة والسلام على رسول الله
All praise is due to ALLAH and peace and blessing upon His Messenger
بسم الله الرحمن الرحيم
In the Name of Allah, The Most Gracious, The Most Merciful
Commentator 2 added: “If these “evolved” by chance, trial and error, there must be 100,000 even millions of examples of failures, unco-ordinated cogs, but no we find perfection that has not changed in millions of years. None as blind as those who refuse to see.”
I commented: “SubhanAllah. Yes, bro. Some people choose not ‘to see’”
Commentator 3 entered: “As Stephen fry said, there is a fly who entire life cycle is about burrowing into the eyes of other creatures (and humans), and laying eggs which turn to larvae and eat their way out. Why was that fly designed that way? Surely a creator could’ve spared us that paticular insect, or he could’ve made it so the fly didn’t have to lay it’s eggs in our eyes.
Again, as Stephen Fry said, why did he decide to put bone cancer in children? Again, it was something he didn’t need to do.
Evolution takes millions of years. You can see the progress of the eyeball thru different species, and it’s still evolving. We, as humans, are still evolving. In jesus time the average height of a full grown adult male was around 5 foot, it’s now around 5 foot 9 inches.
Alf, I agree with you. Some people choose not to see, but I fear we’re debating different sides of the argument” 🙂
Commentator 3 added: “This is a wheel bug. An insect with what could be early evolutionary stages of cogs on its back. There is also a turtle with something similar. Evolution is always happening and is always around us. Just because we are alive now, doesn’t mean we are at the pinicle point of evolution that life on this planet will reach, we are just the most advanced at the minute.
What you’ve done here is what has happened for centuries, which is “I don’t understand it, so god did it”. I’ve got no issues with people who believe in whatever they believe in, but you can’t have it both ways. If god designed these cogs (which are only in this insect when it is juvenile) then he also designed the fly that lays eggs in the eye, he designed the Candiru fish, which swims into other fishes gills attaches itself using razor sharp spines and eats it’s way inside. What about the wasp that stings and paralyses a cockroach and then lays it’s eggs inside the (still living) cockroach which hatch and eat the cockroach from the inside, again, whilst it’s still alive?
There are thousands of examples in nature of this kind of action. Why did god create it this way? Surely an all loving god wouldn’t want his creations eaten alive from the inside?
If you’re claiming the cogs to be gods work, then surely you should be rejoicing in the rest of his work too? Praising the fish that burrow into other fish, praising the female spider that eats the male after mating, praising the fly as its lavea burrows its way out of a 4 year old eye ball.
Like I said, if there is a god, he’s a dick.”
Commentator 2 replied: What nonsence … Difference in height proof of evolution? We humans are created to struggle, die and all illnesses, not just flies in childrens eyes, cancer in babies, are part of the struggle to understand who we are and Who is in charge, and what happens when we die. When you see this reality you will envy the baby that died from cancer and has nothing to answer for. May Allah teach us to worship Him with utmost respect and save us from the illusions of this life.
Commentator 3 said: I’m assuming you don’t look when you cross the road? gods will would be that you are either run over or not. Looking shouldn’t make a difference.
As an atheist, I love life. I live each day to the fullest it can be and I live a good, fair, just life. If there is a heaven and I don’t get in because god didn’t give me enough evidence to believe in him, then that’s his problem. Surely the point should be to live a good life? I’m not doing things the way I am because I’m worried about getting into your club.
Since we arrived on this planet, there have been over 2,500 “gods” that people have worshipped. You’re almost as Atheist as me. What if you’re wrong? I’ve still lived a good life, but if you’ve been praising the wrong god and the mormons have it right then you’re screwed on judgement day…
Lead a good life, and don’t just jump to the “god did it” conclusion when anything new happens in nature. People used to think that god made the sun come up. They thought he controlled the crops. They thought god did everything when they didn’t understand it, but as we get smarter god becomes the god of the gaps. Your god made flies that lay eggs in children’s eyes. Rejoice 😉
Commentator 3 added: Oh, and the difference in height is just one example of proof of evolution. Have you heard of the galapogos islands? Some amazing, proven, evolution there after a volcanic eruption separated several of the same species. Well worth checking out.
Obviously we can talk about fossil records and how they show evolution. Again, I don’t need to go into detail as thousands of other (smarter) people than me have already shown this.
The most simple evidence of evolution is in bacterial life forms. They are constantly evolving and increasing resistance to anti-biotics.
As I’ve already said, you can see the evolution of the eye ball thru different species of animal.
Don’t forget, we were all once monkeys 🙂
There is now so much evidence of evolution that only someone who doesn’t want to see it won’t see it. That knowledge pool is improving and growing every day. Religion, on the other hand… I haven’t seen a new book out recently. Haven’t seen any new evidence of a god, despite us flying (unmanned) past Mars. Surely any god who watches his creations get off the green planet and walk on the little grey one has to show himself and say well done?
god, in every religion, is a dick. He’s written a book so badly that people have been fighting over what it really means for 2000 years. He wrote your book so badly that some people read it and think they should be blowing people up. If god knows everything that has happened and will happen, then why didn’t he just write it better? Why not take out the grey area? Why write it so some people can use it to radicalise disenfranchised people across the world? Don’t get me wrong, I’m not bashing Muslims over ISIS, bit if the book was better written then there would be no grey area.
god couldn’t even get his book right and you think he designed cogs in one species out of tens of billions, and only kept that design in for the first few months of that insects life? Fuck, surely he’s got better things to do with his time? Maybe he should’ve left the eye burrowing fly on the shelf and decided to pop to earth and say hello instead? But, he’s a dick and obviously without evolution that eye burrowing fly won’t sort itself out…
My Present Comment (Addressing Commentator 3):
I feel you were affected a lot by Stephen Fry’s vid. His angst is being transferred into your response, here. That’s my take on it. (I may be wrong.) I do feel Stephen Fry is wrong with his basic assumptions, as here:
A – Creature that lays eggs in eye.
Why was such a thing created? The underlying assumption is: this is bad. A finite moral judgement. But this also assumes a perspective of God that begins from a negative position. The choice is here. Why do you choose to consider God negatively?
Formula: Neg: something bad happens > why did God do this? > God is evil (and probably our despair, anger and hate)
If we consider God positively (which is also possible), then we should ask, given God is the Doer of Good, what possible reason is there? And logically, we are easily able to find positive answers. It is baffling why you choose not to see it. (Moreover the positive version is how God presents himself in the Qur’an. I.e.: this is the correct account):
- Life is a test
- We are rewarded (in the afterlife) if we are patient and endure the tests of life and continue to strive for good. There are different levels of endurance, each greater struggle with greater reward.
- This life is not the ‘be and end all’ of everything. This is the hurdle atheists cannot overcome/see and may explain the negativity. The life hereafter is eternal and more valuable than this life in the duniya (material world), which is temporary, ephemeral and illusory. All that glitters is not gold.
- Losing eyes in this life may mean in the hereafter we gain 5,000 interchangeable eyes, each with special powers, indefinitely… (you get the idea – the definition of heaven is that place where truly (unimaginably!) good things happen.
- There will be those during the Judgement Day who will ask to be returned to earth to suffer more hardships together with God-consciousness, seeing what gains they could’ve received had they been patient and positive with every difficulty for the sake of God.
- This is the infinite moral judgement (ie God’s)
“And We will surely test you with something of fear and hunger and a loss of wealth and lives and fruits, but give good tidings to the patient” Qur’an 2:155
“Or do you think that you will enter Paradise without such [trials] as came to those who passed away before you? They encountered suffering and adversity, and were so shaken in spirit that [even their] messenger and those who believed with him said, “When (will come) the help of Allah?” Ah! Indeed, the help of Allah is (always) near.” Qur’an 2:214
Formula: Pos: God is good > something bad happens > why did God do this? > We’re being tested, be patient, don’t worry, don’t fear, do your best, no angst, positive, robust action
B – Bone Cancer in Children:
1) Any children that die, go straight to heaven (because of the innocence of childhood). If they suffer in life, logically, they will be rewarded for their troubles exponentially. The reward is always off the charts. And eternal. (Versus the temporary pain in the life of this world). See A.
2) The test is not just for the child. But for the family. How will they deal with this?
“And know that your wealth and your children are but a trial and that Allah has with Him a great reward.” Qur’an 8:28
3) Heaven and divine justice enables a coping mechanism for the struggling. And keeps people positive and proactive. This is a functional by-product.
Note: patience (sabr) in Arabic does not mean you have to ‘put up with it’ (which is negative), but to persevere, to endeavour to make the most of life and a sign of endurance/strength (which is positive). More sabr = more strength (like a warrior. Not a wuss) #beauty_of_Arabic_language
God could have spared us, but then there’s no test. Why a test? To see who deserves heaven. And God Knows “what you do not.” (Qur’an 2:30)
My question: Now, after explaining A and B, above, and having made a case for the fact that God is so good given the prospect of an eternal heaven as a reward for temporary pain, why would someone say, ‘No, well actually He’s bad’? My only conclusion is a) that such a one still has not truly understood who God is yet – this is key, and possibly b) they are adamant to maintain their opinion that God isn’t good, by stubbornly insisting a moral perspective (despite its human limitations) to judge God (who is infinite), which comes across as ironic, nonsensical (and tragic); and this opinion must be based on a type of arrogance, or willful rejection regardless of any evidences brought forward – like a type of angst. My point is, it isn’t a rational objection, because the rejection makes no sense. It is an emotional rejection where the freedom to reject ‘because I can’ is prime. This is what I meant by people ‘choose’ not to see. Perhaps I’m completely wrong. I actually want to know because it makes no sense to me.
C – Evolution
There’s basically three possible stances we could take re: Evolution
- Evolution is false and Adam&Eve is correct = Christan Creationism idea
- Evolution is true and Adam&Eve is false = Atheist position
- Evolution* is true and Adam&Eve is true = Muslim position
1) The account of creation and of Adam&Eve in the Qur’an is written in a more poetical style compared to the Biblical descriptive narrative. People have worked out from the Bible, for instance, that the world is around 6000 years old, which is factually incorrect. The Qur’an is not like that. It is not a science textbook. It is a moral code and source of law. Islam has more flexibility.
Islam should NOT be judged, therefore, like Christian Creationism. Christian Creationism, for instance, disbelieves in dinasaurs etc, which is ridiculous.
2) You keep forgetting that Islam and science works well together – proven by history. The majority of scientific facts will always be respected, because that is an Islamic normative position: to check your evidences etc
3) Remember who invented the scientific method that resembles our modern equivalent?
4) * = When we say Evolution, what do we mean? Are you aware that Darwin was influenced by what was termed then as the ‘Mohammadan theory of evolution’ but, of course, he came up with his own conclusions. You should be surprised about this – but you shouldn’t be really! My point is that most of your evidences you’re proposing for evolution is fine. So – you’re arguing unnecessarily from a certain point of view… The point here is Islam is/was/will always be pro-science. BUT science will never be a God. The problem with Atheist thinking is when they become slaves to Scientism (which is a debunked philosophy, but being pushed by the New Atheists, regardless).
Micro evolution is fine. Muslim scientists were aware of it and documented this. See the ‘Mohammadan theory of evolution’ (Note: these theories were an extension of the work done by Ancient Greek philosophers – but the Muslims reached a stage close to Darwin.)
Macro evolution – where interpreters of this might posit God to not be the author – is a grand narrative (a story) with a lot of speculation. In science, there is interpretation of data. And interpretation is done by humans. And some interpretations can be wrong, because humans are fallible. This will be covered in a separate post, HERE.
D – So God designed the Wheel Bug and the Candiru fish.
Yes, He did. See A and B.
He is The All-Compassionate and The All-Merciful, The Pure One, The Loving One, The Exalter, The Protecting Friend, The Preventer of Harm, The Creator of Good and The Source of Peace.
But He is also The Subduer, The Abaser, The Humiliator, The Avenger, The Creator of The Harmful and The Taker of Life. How so?
Because He is also The Supreme One, The Owner of All, The Creator of All Power, The Perfectly Wise, The All-Aware, The Absolute Ruler and The Judge. And what is more He is The Truth.
These are just some of the Names of God, He revealed about Himself in the Qur’an. They give you an idea of Who He is. Most people have an idea of God, but use their own opinions to describe Him. This is a serious mistake! Most people who argue against God are actually arguing against their own idea of Him. They’ve created a strawman argument which is logically, unsound.
See 99 Names of Allah.
“Surely a loving god wouldn’t want his creations eaten alive from the inside.” is now explained, above. Indeed, how does this differ from a lion eating an antelope? Or a fish being eaten by a bigger fish? You’re commenting on the appearance of violence in the wild. And yet there is a type of balancing act in the ecology. Of course, it is man that disrupts the eco-system – especially in the modern period (but now he also has the ability to put it right, so long as greed for resources does not get in the way… oops.)
E – “I don’t understand it, so God did it.”
1) The original comment on Facebook was about the design and the awesomeness of the creation. It wasn’t about whether we understand it or not. Even if it were evolution, which explains the method of the cogs developed in the creature, this can be explained that God still did it using evolution. God is ‘above’ or ‘over’ it. The point here is about intelligent design. Evolution is a method (it answers the what and how) but God is about purpose (answering the why). If we put ‘purpose’ to evolution, we are saying it has a mind and a will of its own. Not only has it become reified, but it has become god-like (a deity). And if you believe that, it is a belief.
The Islamic injunction applies: “There is no deity, but Allah (The One God)”
Science should restrict itself to the study of the material domain (the what and the how). It must stay out of the religious or metaphysical domain (the why) because it is blind to the metaphysical, because logically, its focus is the material. Because science can’t explain it, it doesn’t mean it doesn’t exist. See, for instance, Five Things Science Can’t Explain.
The definition of a Power (that originated everything) that has Will and Intelligence and which was itself uncreated… is God (or Allah, which means The only One or Unique God)
F – “I’m assuming you don’t look when you cross the road.”
I don’t understand the logic here. Because there is a God, are you saying we’re supposed to walk around as though God will protect us from everything because we demand it? This is the wrong way around. We are not god to enforce on God, rules about what He can or cannot do. God will protect whomever He Wills. (And if He doesn’t, then we must assume there is divine Wisdom behind it. Remember He can see the totality of events. We can’t.)
We must do our bit, then Trust in God: See Prophet’s (peace be upon him) advice on ‘tying the camel’
The Prophet’s advice (peace be upon him) makes sense, yours doesn’t (I know, you were only being facetious).
G – “I live a good, fair, just life.”
Everyone might think this. Everyone can’t be right. This is subjective. I.e., in your opinion. But what if our sense of good or fair is actually unjust? 200 years ago there was slavery and 100 years ago women couldn’t vote (in the West). We’re saying these things are wrong now. Trump thinks immigrants should get lost. This is good, fair and just to him. The point is, most positions are subjective. But God’s Judgement is objective as He is beyond time and eternal.
Of course there is such a thing that is called ‘Universal Values’ – but this is a compromise. And you know what they say about compromises being the lowest common denominator. Surely we should seek the Highest of values. (Though I’m not dissing the Universal one – it has its merits; It’s just it’s a halfway house.) Clearly, the highest values would be God’s Guidance to us. (But do we really know what this is?)
God only tells us to do things that are good for us. (They are not of benefit for Him. He doesn’t need us at all. Such a one, clearly, is a God): i.e. don’t commit murder, don’t commit adultery, don’t steal, do be earnest, do pray to Him, do strive for God/Truth (One and the same), do give regular charity, don’t be arrogant, don’t assume you’re going to heaven – especially if you become complacent or big-headed about it… Etc etc
Some may decide, I agree with that and that – but not the point about praying or striving for God. The logic for that decision is ‘in my opinion’ it’s worthless. Fine. It’s an opinion. But subjective (limited in perspective and on the grand scheme of things, wrong). God Knows what is best for us on the objective front. How do we know which God or religion is right? See L
H – “God didn’t give me enough evidence to believe in Him”
1) God doesn’t need to give us anything. He is God and doesn’t need us. Rather we need Him. Of course on Judgement Day, we’ll certainly need Him. However, in fact, He has given us a lot for free: In life, we have a healthy body, we have food and water, we have air, shelter, clothing – this is a favour that He’s given us. (I’m not talking about those that don’t have them, in which case, see A and B – but those that do have them). The definitive sin of an unbeliever is ungratefulness to God. We must show appreciation or thanks to God (Sukr). We bend over backwards to our employer who gives us our wages, or governments that insist we have to pay taxes – but God, who is superior to employers and governments, well, we prefer to turn our backs on Him, despite Him giving us our very existence.
“And when [Solomon] saw it placed before him, he said, “This is from the favor of my Lord to test me whether I will be grateful or ungrateful. And whoever is grateful – his gratitude is only for [the benefit of] himself. And whoever is ungrateful [he is ungrateful only for the loss of his own self) – then indeed, my Lord is Rich (Free of all wants) and Generous.” Qur’an 27:40
“If ye reject (Allah) Truly Allah hath no need of you; but he liketh not ingratitude from his servants: if ye are grateful He is pleased with you. No bearer of burdens can bear the burden of another. In the end to your Lord is your Return when He will tell you the truth of all that ye did (in this life). for He knoweth well all that is in (men’s) hearts.” Qur’an 39:7
2) Having said all that, there is lots of evidence out there – proofs of God, aplenty, that we can deduce from our instinct (fitrah) , from our minds, from creation. But also, we ought to look at Qur’anic proofs too and the example of the Prophet (peace be upon him). I’ll have to write another post on this, later.
But are we truly serious in our search or are we being disingenuous? If we keep to our preconceived notions and not bother looking, we are being fake. But that’s between us and God and not other people’s business. This is the Islamic position on the matter.
For me, I have had doubts when younger and sought answers. I looked into other religious traditions and the Atheist position too. Every position had faults in them but the Islamic seemed to be the most robust. In our day and age, Islam is under attack, culturally, socially, ideologically. It’s not ‘fashionable’. This makes you question it more and makes you more alert to the weaknesses of other systems. It certainly doesn’t make you less critical of your own position.
3) And even if proofs are given, sometimes, people are obstinate, stubborn or arrogant:
“And even if We had sent down to them the angels [with the message] and the dead spoke to them [of it] and We gathered together every [created] thing in front of them, they would not believe…” (Qur’an 6:111)
We should pray to God – or at least feel in our hearts – to not be like such people who get all the signs but still reject it.
I – “If I don’t get into heaven, that’s God’s problem.”
No. We do not affect God in the slightest. It makes no difference to God if everyone believes or no one believes. It is 100% our problem.
J – “To live a good life should be the purpose.”
Yes. But the key word is ‘good’ and as we’ve outlined in G, there are subjective ideas of good (our judgement) and an objective idea (God’s Judgement). There may be a cross over and much agreement, but ultimately, we ought to discover what God Himself says about goodness (via revelation) to ensure we’re on the same page as Him as much as possible, as He will judge us in the end.
K – “Your club”
Don’t have a club. Everyone is free to do what they want. Then everyone will be judged on how they lived their lives. Sounds reasonable and just to me.
L – “Many religions on the planet. If I’m wrong then I will go to hell.”
I’m writing a post on this as we speak. The point here is: What is the best method to assess the veracity or truth of a religion? Lumping all religions as though they are one and the same is logically not quite right. Remember, in Arabic the synonym for religion is ‘Deen’, which means a ‘Way of Life’. In this sense it is possible to have an Atheist deen. The question about the best method, above, stands. Pending post.
M – “People used to think god made the sun go round and control the crops.”
He always did and still does. He is able to do more than one thing at a time. We really have to stop associating him as a man-type person. This is anthropomorphism, which is a sin in Islam. This was when people begin to conceive of God more like man. And then, through this error, we begin to imagine some old guy on a throne in the sky. Wrong. God isn’t a man. That leads to a whole set of false ideas about God that can end up wrecking people’s faith and leading civilisations down the wrong path. See L
“Say: He is Allah, the One and Only;
Allah, the Eternal, Absolute;
He neither begets nor is born,
And there is none like unto Him.” Qur’an 112
Science explains how God’s plan manifests. So, yes, we know more about the laws of nature in modernity. There are certainly technological improvements as nations progress science. But who devised the laws in creation in the first place? The ecological system, the cosmos… Evolution devised it? The Universe devised it? The pagan, ‘Mother Nature’? Seems like we are making deities of these abstract concepts. We are putting all our hope/trust/belief in them. Neither Evolution, the Universe, our boss, the government, family or friends or our opinions, or our desires will be able to aid us on the Day of Judgement. Best to ultimately rely on God alone.
Moreover, with the technological progress, it does not follow there is moral progress. This is a false premise. More people (including innocent civilians) were killed in the secular wars of WW1 and 2 in human history; consider the innocents of Hiroshima and Nagasaki; The Wars in Iraq; the Banksters robbing everyone, etc. Greater material knowledge has not prevented such depravity on a global scale. Because material knowledge is not enough. Humans are spiritual beings… But all religions (and non religions) cannot all be true. But one of them might be… We need a testing method. See L
N – We were all once monkeys
Sort of. But not quite. See Muslim Theories of Evolution.
O – Where is religion’s new book?
Religion won’t have a new book because the Qur’an is the Last Testament. It is for now till the demise of mankind, whenever that will be. There is no need for new moral guidance because we are in the post-revelatory world of the global village. The task of the prophets is now on all of our shoulders in egalitarian fashion. So we need to understand and appreciate the message of the prophets.
Technological innovation is fine, but we do not believe in the moral ‘Cult of the New’. This would necessarily be a false religion.
P – Flying passed Mars…
… means that God has given us the ability and means to do this. This isn’t a problem. Rather knowing the laws of nature, we are able to (as a species) manipulate some laws… God has allowed us to do this, but he has warned us that He has put balance in the universe… Why allow us to break these laws? Because it’s a test (i.e. see A).
See the Age of MANipulation
Q – “Why write [the book] with grey areas: so some people read it and think they should be blowing people up.”
1) Every book has different interpretations. This means, following this logic, that every book is badly written because people agree/disagree about a great deal. Linguistic theory shows us that there is the Writer, the Reader and the Text. Each has different functions and objectives. This is known.
The trick is to find congruence between all three. The variable here is us (and our human interpretations). It is us that is the problem. Not God.
“And We have revealed to you, [O Muhammad], the Book in truth, confirming that which preceded it of the Scripture and as a criterion over it. So judge between them by what Allah has revealed and do not follow their inclinations away from what has come to you of the truth. To each of you We prescribed a law and a method. Had Allah willed, He could have made you one nation [united in religion], but [He intended] to test you in what He has given you; so race to [all that is] good. To Allah is your return all together, and He will [then] inform you concerning that over which you used to differ.” Qur’an 5:48
“Whatever of good reaches you, is from Allah, but whatever of evil befalls you, is from yourself.” Qur’an 4:79
(We’re talking here about the result of our actions. We need to ponder on this during our lifetimes. When it is about perceived evil that afflicts us from natural disasters etc, then go to A and B.)
2) There have been secular wars based on Marx’s Communist Manifesto, Hitler’s Mein Kampf, and Samuel Huntingdon’s Clash of Civilisations…
Wars are either over resources or ideas or both. But surely, fighting for what is good, true or right is best/ a heroic thing, rather than letting bad, falsehood or wrong prevail…? Obviously, what these things are need to be elucidated.
It is incorrect to blame Islam if the likes of ISIS (originated/facilitated by the West) do anything.
Look, when it comes to Islam, there’s a way of being Muslim – a method – and it’s straight forward and simple. People make these outrageous statements when they don’t know…
Otherwise blame everyone called Tony for the Iraq war 2. Clearly, this is utterly ridiculous. http://www.lbc.co.uk/james-obriens-call-of-the-year-122065
PENDING POSTS to be written
- C: Muslim Theories of Evolution
- H: Proofs of God
- L: What is the best method to assess the veracity or truth of a religion?
سبحان ربك رب العزة عما يصفون وسلام على المرسلين والحمد لله رب العالمين والصلاة والسلام على رسول الله محمد وعلى اله وصحبه أجمعين
Exalted be your Lord, the Lord of Glory, above what they attribute to Him, and peace be upon the Messengers, and all praise be to Allah, the Lord of the Universe. And the peace and blessing upon prophet Mohammed and his relatives and all his companions.